霍波洋：这次教学实验酝酿了很长时间，回忆起来有六、七年了，以前我们系就一直在讨论要在教学中加入抽象。孙老师、赵老师都提过，但是师资在哪？一牵扯到师资问题，所有的这种实验都不能实施。 根据近几年我系的情况，我系在全国美展上再没拿过奖牌，其它美展参加的也很少， Huo Bo Yang: This teaching experiment brewing for a long time, recalls six or seven years ago, we have been talking about the Department to join the abstraction in teaching. Teacher Sun, Teacher Zhao mentioned, but where is the teacher? As soon as teachers’ problems are involved, all such experiments can not be implemented. According to the situation of my department in recent years, I did not take the medal at the National Art Exhibition, and other art exhibitions are also very few,