记者:您在《中国反贪史》中总结出:历代“王朝初年狠抓反贪斗争——王朝中叶后反贪斗争渐渐有名无实——王朝来年贪污腐败猖獗,民不聊生,王朝灭亡——‘新’王朝初年狠抓反贪斗争——‘新’王朝中叶后……”成了走不出的轮回。您认为随着社会的发展变化,我们今天的反腐败有走出这个轮回的方法 Reporter: In “History of Anti - Corruption in China”, it is concluded that "the anti - corruption struggles in the early years of the dynasty - the anti - corruption struggle gradually became known after the middle of the dynasty - the corruption of the dynasty in the coming year was rampant, At the beginning of the new ’dynasty, pay close attention to the struggle against corruption - after the middle of the’ new ’dynasty ... became the reincarnation unable to go out. You think that with the development of society, our anti-corruption today has some way out of this cycle