李楠明(以下简称李):马克思晚年思想的新变化虽然修改了他早年的结论,把历史发展的统一性和多样性结合了起来,但这同他坚持的人学立场有什么关系呢?张奎良(以下简称张):这当然有关系。马克思在创立唯物史观的初期,他观察社会的尺度是历史主义的客观尺度,即人的价值要服从于历史 Li Nanming (hereinafter referred to as Li): Although Marx’s new changes in his later years of thought revise his early conclusion and combine the unity and diversity of historical development, what does this have to do with his humanistic standpoint? Zhang Kuiliang (Hereinafter referred to as Zhang): This of course has a relationship. In the early period of establishing historical materialism, Marx observed the scale of society as an objective measure of historicism, that man’s value should be subject to history