老万:记得你有一个论调,大意是,上世纪九十年代中期的“人文精神”讨论是理想主义的八十年代的最后一场哀号。一九九七年蕴藏着预示未来走向的诸多玄机。小刘:是的。一晃十年过去了,情况没有转机,甚至江河日下,但理想主义的声音并未偃旗息鼓,甚至形形色色,不绝于耳呢。最近读到诗人于坚为《牵 Old man: I remember you have an argument to the effect that the discussion of “humanistic spirit” in the mid-nineties of the last century was the last wail of idealism in the 1980s. In 1997, there are many mysteries that predict the future direction. Xiao Liu: Yes. After a dozen years have passed, the situation has not turned for the better. Even the rivers and lakes, the idealist voice has not died down. It is even of all kinds. Recently read the poet Yu Jian as "pull