朱丽亚·佩顿·琼斯(以下简称“朱丽亚”):你是否把自己表现在画面中,这一点对于作品的内容和共鸣是相当重要的。比如说,在这幅作品中你就画到了自己。张恩利(以下简称“张”):是的。朱丽亚:当你画一群人的时候,画面中是否总是包含你自己呢?张:对。汉斯·乌尔里希·奥布里斯特(以下简称“汉斯”):那其他人又是谁呢?张:他们是来自我记忆中的人。朱丽亚:记忆吗?不是想象? Julia Peyton Jones (“Julia”): Whether you show yourself in the picture is very important to the content and resonance of the work. For example, you draw yourself in this piece. Zhang Enli (hereinafter referred to as “Zhang”): Yes. Julia: When you paint a group of people, does the picture always contain yourself? Hans Ulrich Obrist (hereinafter “Hans”): Who else are these? Zhang: They come from my memory. Julia: Memory? Not imagination?